John H. Gohde: his hatred and racism cataloged

A long post, but one well worth reading.

An usual wave of patriotism seems to have come over the John Gohde of late. “America comes first”, he writes here in the Google Webmaster Groups.

Gohde, who is only the second generation of his family to be born in the US, and whose own ethnic mix is quarter-German, told the same discussion group: “I am NOT interested in talking to, or communicating with, whatsoever with anybody who is NOT an American. Nor, do I want to adopt or remotely know about your weird ways or customs.”

And and again in his blog:

Be an American patriotic (sic) when you spend your money. Spend your American money on products made in America. Make sure that America always comes first. Help create and save America Jobs. Always place America first in your personal life.

(While he doesn’t go into details, we suspect the usual caveats apply: Gohde loves all of America: except the blacks; except the Jews; except the mentally ill; except women; except nurses; except the homeless…but hell, he loves the rest. God bless America !)

But before we get carried away on a sudden surge of national pride, lets see if Gohde’s actions match his rhetoric.

In an earlier carnation, Gohde used to troll the health newsgroups. Despite an entire lack of qualifications, Gohde saw fit to pontificate on issues about which he knows little or nothing. And a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, especially in the area of health.

Take this thread an example of Gohde being held to account by those who do happen to know what they are talking about:

One poster takes Gohde to task:

What you just admitted is that you have no credentials and you resent anyone who took the time and effort to study and obtain credentials in a recognized scientific field. At what point did you realize that you were never going to be anything but mediocre and unknown at best? So you hate your job, you hate your life , and your body is telling you that the diseases of aging are going to catch up with you whether or not you believe in them. No one gets out alive, gohde. Least of all, someone like you who has never really lived to begin with. You’re communicating, alright; but what you relate is not what you think you are saying.

They go on:

When I talk about medical lab results, I have 30 plus years of education and experience behind my words. When you babble about nutrition or anything else I’ve ever seen you post, you have no documentable knowledge base behind you.

A second poster, who happens to have served as a medic in vietnam and who now works as a medical techinician agrees:

gohde, you have no real life life experience in providing health care. You are quite content to stand outside and throw stones. It is apparent that you didn’t see fit to put in the time and effort required to aquire knowledge and practical experience in clinical matters. Therefore, your self-proclamations of being an authority fall flat. When you’ve developed a personal health plan that doesn’t include depleting your iron stores to the point of anemia, talk to me about healthcare. Until then, cut and paste all you like; you only emphasize how little experience you have and how little you understand the articles you claim support your manias.

Chastening words: and ones which would make a wise man think hard. But Gohde is by no means a wise man.

Remember - the second poster is a Vietnam veteran, with real life experience of combat medicine as well as peacetime healthcare. Gohde has zero medical or health qualifications, and skipped the draft for Vietnam. How might Gohde behave around someone who has put their life on the line for the US he professes to hold so dear ?

His reply beggars belief.

here is no doubt in my mind that you are the most Evil person that I have ever had the pleasure to run across. I attribute your Evilness to your taste for killing baby Gooks. Once a Gook Killer, always a Gook Killer.

Displaying an extraordinary amount of patience, the Vietnam veteran replies:

I don’t recall making any claims regarding killing people. Such claims exist only in your head. I was a medic. But then, you don’t have any more knowledge of war and things military than you do of medicine or nutrition; because you didn’t do any national service time, just as you didn’t undertake any medical or nutritional education. So as well as lacking personal knowledge, you’ve misinterpreted what you might have read or overheard again. There seems to be a pattern here. What part of your website makes you an “authority” on war?

The hole you’ve dug for yourself keeps getting deeper. Must be hard to see
daylight from the bottom. What degrees? What institutions?

Simple question, John. What qualifications allow you to make medical diagnoses ? Forced into a corner, Gohde admits:

Many would say, that I don’t have credentials. That is a matter of opinion.

[In case you’re wondering John, that’s most people’s opinion.]

My credentials show that I have at least graduated from college with a BA in Psychology

Now we’re getting somewhere. The Vietnam veteran presses on:

A degree in psychology? From what school? That really prepares you to offer healthcare advice…

And what does your psychology degree tell you about people who hang around offering advice that they are not qualified to offer? If you’ve suffered so much abuse and not left, review your psychology class notes and tell us what it tells you about yourself.

Or to put it another way: Psychology student: heal thyself.

Facing a long overdue humiliation, Gohde lashes out:

You are an MT, *not* a MD. You don’t take care of dying patients, Liar! You don’t have patients, Liar!

But either does Gohde, for that matter, and Gohde has no medical or health experience or qualifications whatsoever. The Vietnam veteran shows admirable patience in reply:

I was a combat medic in Vietnam. I can assure you I took care of dying patients. What were you doing at the time besides becoming the buffoon you are today?

MT’s are aware that every sample we process and analyze is going to affect patient care in some fashion. Our work is a bit more involved and a hell of lot more complex than offering ill-conceived advice to the families of diabetics, based upon something you read and misunderstood. While I was completing my university years, I worked as an OR Tech and did other direct patient care as well. What can you say you did to learn about health care at the hands on level?

I hear a great silence when asked what you have ever done for the benefit of
anyone but yourself.

If only Gohde had chosen to keep quiet.

War wounds!!!! Who cares? Having problems with your neighbors? Yesterday, is accent [sic] history. 30 years ago is a joke and wouldn’t get you a job in a hospital cleaning the floors.

Treating gun shot wounds has nothing to do with heart disease, cancer, and stroke.

Here we see a familiar Gohde tactic - attack the qualifications of others to distract attention away from yourself, then set up a straw man. No-one said gunshot wounds had anything to do with heart disease, Gohde. What they did say is - you don’t have any qualifications. And you don’t.

The Vietnam veteran’s reply is blistering:

The word you were reaching for is “ancient” not accent. You certainly wouldn’t care about war wounds. You put in no national service time just as you put in no medical education time. When the time came to pull your weight, you were found lacking then, and are decidely unable to pull your own weight today.

I’ve worked in acute care facilities for the last 30 years. What have you done to make the world a better place? I hear a deafening silence. I understand the implications of stroke, cardiac disease, and malignancy far better than you will ever be able to. You’re a petty little pretender who wishes to be thought of as an authority on health matters. But since you never put in the time to study anything relevant; no one with academic and practical credentials will ever consider you worth listening to.

As I said before, I’m really glad you avoided service. I’d hate to think that someone else was put at greater risk by being paired at an observation post or LP with you as their backup. You’d have screwed the pooch then just like you do now.

I repeat, gohde, if you can’t stand the heat of someone questioning your qualifications, get out of nutrition. I don’t answer to your commands. Nor will I allow you to offer medical advice without openly questioning your qualifications at every turn. I’m going to be around for longer than you are likely to be able to tolerate.

Tell us for the record what psychologists have to say about people who wish to be recognized as “authorities” but who didn’t bother to do the work required to gain the basic knowledge and skills common to the fields of expertise in question. Or were you absent from class that semester?

Gohde is on the ropes, and he knows it. Exposed as a fraud, he still persists in making himself look like an idiot:

Don’t understand grammar? Check your tense! You do *not* take care of dying patients (Present Tense, *not* Past Tense)!

None of which answers the question at the heart of this: does Gohde have any real health knowledge at all ? The question is put to him again.

My coworkers provide health care for patients. Tense is correct, idiot child, those of us in acute care and outpatient settings are still involved with all manner of patients. Some of them are well, some are going to be well, and some are not going to survive. Get someone to read to you as you are apparently incapable of reading an entire post before misunderstanding it. Have them quiz you at the end of each sentence to make sure you still retain the actual content, and not what you have come to imagine it to be.

Hands-on experience spanning over thirty years of time dealing with all manner of patients in many settings. What have you done to better the world and provide a better quality of life for humanity? I hear a huge empty silence.

Problem? Yes, you are part of the problem. You will continue to do stupid things such as you did when you caused your own anemic condition. Then you will present to a medical facility and demand to be repaired.

Solution? If enough of you new-age poseurs follow your own advice long enough, the rest of society will not have to deal with you. We’ll be less affected by your racism, your sexism, and your general drain on society.

If only. Gohde simply won;t realise that he is beaten:

Lying again, I see. You perform lab tests! You don’t care for patients. You don’t have
patients. You are not a MD, Liar!

But the veteran never said he was an MD. He said he was an MT and a former Army media in Vietnam, John…

Don’t try to explain something you know nothing about, gohde. Oh, wait! That’s your entire presence on line, isn’t it.

If there were no patients, we would have no reason to perform biomedical
analysis.

Does it ever bother you that you have the nearly magical inability to misunderstand everything you read and to switch realities as rapidly as you switch screen names?

What purported degrees? What schools? What have you done to better the
nation and the world? I hear deep silence as you scramble to ignore the lies you’ve woven around
your supposed “authority.”

Seemingly stuck in an infinite loop, and with nowhere else to go, Gohde blusters

Don’t understand grammar? Check your tense!

You do *not* take care of dying patients (Present Tense, *not* Past Tense)!

The Vietnam veteran replies:

You seem rather confused again, gohde. You’ve already posted this
misinterpretation and been soundly slapped around for it. ARe you claiming
clairvoyance as well as “authority?”

You’ve misunderstood, misinterpreted, and just plain proved your inability
to avoid painting yourself into a corner again.

When you’ve done hands-on health care, then tell those of us who make our living in the various disciplines how to better provide prevention. Until then, every statement you make merely provides more proof that you not only have no credentials in healthcare or nutrition; but also had you tried to gain such you would have summarily failed.

Liar? Yes, you lied to donor centers? Failure? Yes, self-inflicted anemia
is definitely a failure to achieve good health.

Another poster jumps in to defend the Vietnam veteran, and the role of MT’s in general:

It was a pathology technician who first recognised that I could have End Stage Renal Disease, which would have killed me if it’d gone undiagnosed another few months - if he was a battlefield medic thirty years ago he has a massive headstart on anyone except an experienced MD since that work (unfortunately) tells you a hell of a lot about anatomy and trauma. It’s incredible how many pseuds in health haven’t a clue about simple anatomy - where the liver actually is, for instance, let alone what it does or what happens when it’s injured. If he was a battlefield medic and is now a pathology tech that’s a lot of of medicine - anatomy under trauma plus biochem is the sharp end of life-saving.

Gohde continues to employ a common tactic of his when his argument and reputation has been destroyed: to continue to post the same question over and over again:

You are a MT, *not* an MD. I know that both start with the letter “M.” You should really learn to spell.

Again displaying admirable patience, the veteran replies:

I’ve never made a secret of my professional licensure or degree. I, unlike you, am not ashamed of what I studied, where I studied, or what I have done for a living. Nor am I ashamed of my time in service. None of those statements are claims you can make. I really pity you. Shall I repeat that? I find you a pitiable excuse for a human, so desparate for recognition that you are driven to using multiple screen names to post in support of your supposed “authority.” Pitiable person, it fools no one but you.

Go play with your private yahoo group, build yourself a big list of subscribers, all of whom just happen to be you. Then be surprised when none of them pay you. Be very certain that no one who has actually studied medicine, biology, nutrition, or any other hard biological science is going to subscribe or pay you for the privilege of watching you argue with yourself and lose.

How does Gohde respond ?

Ha, … Hah, Ha! Perhaps, if you were to focus?

How many times do I have to tell you?

Battlefield wounds have absolutely nothing to do with Prevention, Healthy Lifestyles, Heart Disease. Cancer, and Stroke.

Furthermore, billions of people worldwide have seen both the movie and the television series called MASH.

[Er, what ? MASH was set in Korea, John. And it was …like your health qualifications…FICTIONAL…]

Vietnam Medics did next to nothing!!!! You are not a doctor! You are not a surgeon!

The veteran responds:

Once more the voice of no experience speaks from a position of no knowledge.

Jealous, gohde, that I know how I can respond in situations of life and death while you will always wonder if you could have hacked it? I’ll save you any more concern. You would have failed miserably. I can recall the names of men alive today because I was there. What good did you do during the same time? I hear a great silence.

Back comes Gohde:

I am *not* interested in your ability to respond to medical emergencies. Natural Health is *not* about treating acute medical emergencies!

Another poster, disgusted by Gohde’s remarks, joins in the discussion:

Where do you get off saying the Medics did next to nothing, Gohde ?. Were you there? Were you trained? You are nothing but a self indudulgent, simple minded moron when it comes to war time care giving. I did not serve in the armed forces at any point int ime and yet you will never find me making light of the good the front line medics have done. I just did not thing that anyone could be so moronic as to make such a statement. I would love to bitch slap you a couple of times for the idiotic, moronic statements you just made. My god man, what are
you thinking? You claim you watched MASH and yet you still make light of the good they did? John, you are a bigger moron than I thought and you disgust me.

As does another:

Am I the only person here to have read that bit around 30 times to make sure that this idiot was…
No; he can’t be…
But he is. He’s citing film and TV *comedy fiction* as evidence that ‘Vietnam medics did nothing’…
This is so shatteringly brainless as to be literally unbelievable.
And what’s more: M.A.S.H. wasn’t anything to do with Vietnam. IT WAS SET IN KOREA!!!!

A third poster:

It dishonors those combat medics who gave that last full measure of ultimate devotion…

It dishonors the medic from my unit…who went to our buddies under withering fire and administered to their wounds…

It dishonors those medics who were conscientious objectors..but served to save lives…

And, it begets reality..as many GI’s who could not be immediately evacuated were saved because of the combat medic. I know one very personally…

Even the notoriously stupid Gohde is now starting to realise that he’s gone too far.

You read in too much to my post.

Which part, John ? The part where you called all vietnam soldiers “baby killers” ?

The Vietnam veteran replies:

I and many others put in the time and earned degrees in clinical fields of study. We contribute to society in our daily lives.

You copy the work of others into a web site.

I and many others served the nation and paid our citizen’s tax. We know how to respond to crisis situations medical and otherwise .

You stayed home and did nothing. You will always be aware that you weren’t
good enough to fill even a minor non-combatant role.

I and many others answer questions on line as they apply to our disciplines
of study

You have no clinical knowledge so you tout your web site, copies of the work
of others, and pimp for other commercial sites.

I and many others acknowledge our degrees and the institutions that granted
them

You copy the work of others into a web site.

I and many others studied, worked, and passed rigorous national and state
licensure and continue to pass strict CE requirements for continued
licensure.

You copy the work of others into a web site.

In short, there are those of us who produce, who have led lives of use to
society, and who value education. There are those of us who put our lives
on the line in combat and who continue to put them on the line in our work
today, facing the risk of infection and personal injury as part of our day
to day lives.

Then, there’s you, a petty, unproductive, unlikeable little person, devoid
of friends. You produce nothing, you dislike your life and have no hope of
bettering it. You failed to achieve any real learning in your school years
and resent everyone who has learned. You demand to be considered an
authority by virtue of a mis-spelled, mishmash of links and opinions based
upon the work of others which you are incapable of understanding.

On the worst days of my life, I would not wish to be you. On the best days
of your life, you will always wish to be anyone else than you.

Gohde’s response ?

Go choke on your Pizza !

The discussion degenerated further, but more on that at a later date.

So there you have it: Gohde professes pride in his native country - yet disgustingly attacks those who fought to uphold the values which he claims to hold dear. A very sorry little man indeed.